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Dr. Michael J. Breus on The best way to Energize By Understanding Chronotypes, Sleep, Fasting, and Motion


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Katie: Hiya and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s “wellness” with an “E” on the top. And this podcast is all about find out how to enhance your power and energize your life by understanding chronotypes, physique varieties, sleep, fasting, motion, and quite a lot of different points. I’m right here with sleep physician Michael Breus who’s double-board licensed, a scientific psychologist, and a scientific sleep specialist. He additionally, as we discuss on this episode, is likely one of the few individuals on the planet to cross medical boards with out going to medical college. And he’s an knowledgeable useful resource for many main publications. He’s completed a whole lot of interviews every year and he’s been in non-public follow for 23 years now. He’s additionally been named the highest sleep physician in most areas.


He’s a wealth of data. He’s been on my podcast earlier than to speak particularly about sleep, and on this one, we discuss extra about power, what the totally different power varieties are, what the power scale is, methods to extend your power, how totally different physique varieties have totally different expressions of their power and find out how to enhance them, the best way that motion impacts power and the way it’s totally different at totally different occasions of day, totally different physique varieties, how and when to quick, issues like caffeine, melatonin, and his prime suggestions for a lot of points of life. It’s all the time an enchanting episode with Dr. Bruce. I do know you’ll take pleasure in this one, so let’s soar in. Dr. Breus, welcome. Thanks for being right here.


Dr. Michael: Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be again on “Wellness Mama.”


Katie: Nicely, I really like chatting with you. I’m excited for this dialog too, and I’ve quite a lot of sleep and power and health-related questions that we’re gonna go into. However first I simply should carry up this one matter you and I have been simply speaking about offline, which is that you’re one among only a few individuals on the planet to cross the medical specialty boards with out going to particular medical college for these. So if you happen to may simply give us a quick recap of how that occurred and what you probably did as a result of it’s wonderful.


Dr. Michael: So it was form of a comic story. So it was my very first job and my boss mentioned to me, “Hey, Michael, you already know, we’ve found out your wage. We figured every thing else out, however it’s a one-year contract. And on the finish of that one 12 months, you must take and cross the medical boards in sleep medication.” And I raised my hand and I mentioned, “Dr. DeMarini,” I mentioned, “I’m excited to start out this new job, however I’m a Ph.D., not an M.D. These are medical boards.” And he mentioned, “There’s a three-year window and we’re within the final 12 months of the window. So you are taking them, if you happen to cross them, you get a job for the following 12 months. Should you don’t, you’re fired.” So I used to be like, “Okay.” So I went house and I informed my girlfriend who’s now my spouse.


I used to be like, “You’re not gonna imagine this. I acquired the job. I’m so excited, blah, blah, blah.” And I mentioned, “However I’ve to take and cross the medical boards.” And he or she was like, “Michael, you already know you’re not a health care provider, proper?” And I used to be like, “No drawback. No person’s ever gonna try this. I doubt anyone may ever do it.” A couple of week later, she turned to me and he or she was like, “Are you gonna do it?” I used to be like, “Do what?” She’s like, “Are you gonna take the medical boards?” I mentioned, “I don’t know. I by no means actually considered it.” She’s like, “I feel you could possibly cross.” That was all it took, was her giving me the problem and the boldness to say, “Hey, I feel you are able to do it.” And I’m one among 168 individuals on the planet which have ever taken and handed the sleep specialty boards with out going to medical college.


Katie: That’s so wonderful. I really like that. Like I mentioned earlier than we began recording, it’s on my bucket checklist too. Though I may need to truly go to medical college to have the ability to qualify, however it’s on my checklist. And also you clearly have a specialty in lots of areas. You’re referred to as The Sleep Physician and also you achieve this a lot specialty in sleep, which we’ve talked about earlier than. I’ll be sure that our first podcast is linked, for you guys listening, within the present notes. It was superior. Dr. Breus is a wealth of data, however you will have a brand new ebook popping out that I actually wanna go deep on as a result of I feel this can be a synchronicity clearly with sleep, which you’re gonna clarify very well, but in addition that is an space that it looks like virtually all people has struggles with proper now, particularly, and particularly this time of 12 months, particularly this previous two years, and that’s the matter of power. And I feel even inside that, even broad phrases are sometimes misunderstood. So although it appears fundamental, let’s begin with, usually, like what’s power on a organic stage and in perhaps a much bigger stage, if there are extra relevant definitions ask.


Dr. Michael: Yeah. So nice query. So, you already know, with sleep, it’s fairly simple to outline. We have now sleep phases, now we have sleep cycles. We will measure EEG, issues of that nature, however measuring power is just not all the time the best factor on the planet to do. There are quite a lot of totally different workout routines which you can measure your metabolic output. That’s one solution to measure power. However what I made a decision to do was assume by the several types of power. So now we have consuming power. In order that’s gasoline, proper? We have now shifting power as a result of a physique at relaxation tends to remain at relaxation whereas a physique in movement tends to remain in movement. So we just like the movement a part of that. We have now emotional power, proper? We will discuss lots about that, about how totally different conditions from an emotional standpoint could make us really feel energized or fairly frankly, zap our power.


And now we have resting power, which is a bit bit totally different than sleeping power. I wished to make a distinction between these two as a result of there’s now knowledge to counsel that non-sleep deep relaxation, so simply mendacity there in a darkish room can really be rejuvenative and enable you get extra power. And so what I made a decision to do was take these 4 sorts of power and actually check out how they work from a biology standpoint, but in addition from an emotional standpoint, and be capable to give individuals higher concepts as to find out how to, primary, see how energetically constant you’re all through your day, primary, however quantity two, if you happen to do have these highs and people lows, how do you form of take the lows and produce them as much as the highs?


Katie: Yeah. I feel that’s an ideal diving in level as a result of I feel for most individuals, power is only a common time period of like, “Oh, I don’t have very a lot power right this moment. My power’s low, or I really feel very energetic,” however it’s…


Dr. Michael: Nicely, and I used to be additionally gonna say that one factor is that individuals tend to note their power when it’s low, not when it’s excessive, proper? And so within the very first chapter of the ebook, now we have individuals study what an power scale is. And so we use Gunnar Borg’s Rankings of Perceived Exertion scale. So this can be a scale that’s been utilized in train physiology for so long as I can keep in mind, 30-plus years. And it’s a 0 to 10 scale the place you concentrate on your self energetically, like how a lot power is it gonna take for me to exert to do that specific exercise, 0 to 10? And now we have individuals have a look at that power at 5 separate occasions all through the day. To be clear, it takes one minute. You simply put some alarms in your telephone and form of mid-morning, earlier than lunch, after lunch, earlier than dinner, after which earlier than mattress, now we have you are taking these rankings simply to form of get an thought of the place are your power highs and the place are your power lows as a result of most individuals actually don’t give it some thought.


Katie: That’s an excellent level. I most likely solely discover once I’m low power and I feel usually individuals additionally consider power as identical to emotional power perhaps. So I’d love to listen to a bit bit concerning the distinctions and the way you consider emotional versus bodily power and/or another varieties and the way we might have a look at these in a different way.


Dr. Michael: So emotional power is one among my favourite subjects. So I’m gonna begin with that after which I’ll break down the opposite ones if that’s okay. So while you have a look at emotional power, I feel it’s so fascinating as a result of an emotion may cause you to really feel nice pleasure, it could trigger you to really feel nice unhappiness, nice anger, or nice something, proper? And so after we begin to consider these issues, how can we determine occasions the place now we have low power from emotion? And so I name this the emotional vampire scenario, proper? And so… And you already know who these persons are, proper? You’ve acquired them in your life. I’ve acquired them in my life. Hopefully, we’re not married to them. However these are people who actually suck our power from our system. In order that they’re both all the time unfavorable, they’re pessimistic quite a lot of the occasions. Perhaps they’ve quite a lot of difficulties themselves they usually’re making an attempt to hunt one thing out when it comes to their very own well being, however on the finish of the day, they generally tend to drag power from you or not be capable to let you categorical good, optimistic power.


And there’s numerous issues that you are able to do. Primary, you bought to determine who these persons are. Quantity two, don’t spend an excessive amount of time with them. Holy cow. I imply, these persons are gonna suck you dry. So restrict the period of time that you simply spend with them, primary, however quantity two, attempt to spend time with them at your highest energetic factors of the day. That’s what these power rankings do, is that they let you know, “Oh, my power is excessive at let’s say 11:00 within the afternoon, so right here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna work with that particular person who I do know is usually a little bit draining as a result of my power is already excessive.”


One other factor we train individuals find out how to do is if you happen to do have a kind of interactions and also you’re feeling kinda low, there’s quite a lot of issues on the market that you are able to do to truly up your power. A giant one, comedy, laughing seems to be a incredible factor. So my son sends me jokes on a regular basis. He thinks they’re hilarious. To be clear, a few of them are literally fairly humorous and I attempt to learn them each infrequently and if I’m having a low power second or a low power day and I learn a joke that got here from my son, it turns my power round like that, proper? As a result of it’s anyone that I care about who’s sharing one thing that they assume is humorous and can also be, it’s humorous to me as effectively. So you’ll be able to see how that strikes you from a low power level virtually instantly to a excessive power level.


One other instance, my son is easy-to-use examples from as a result of he’s my teenager who tends to be the least energetic of my kids at any given second. Music. Music, music, music can… I imply, give it some thought. Should you’re driving alongside and your favourite track comes on, you simply begin bopping round and your total power profile adjustments dramatically while you do one thing like that. So for example, my son, when he was dwelling at house, he’s now in school, we gave him… We mentioned, “You’re the morning DJ. So that you get to decide on the music that goes on each morning for all the home. Can’t flip it on till 7:00 a.m. as a result of we don’t wanna wake all people up too early, however you get to choose it.” Nicely, primary, I really acquired my child to get up at age 17, which was fairly spectacular in and of itself. Simply to be clear, for people on the market who’ve a tough time with getting their youngsters up and down, and we’ll most likely discuss that sooner or later in time, you already know, it’s not a simple factor.


So he would play the Beastie Boys. It’s a must to combat in your proper to celebration each morning at a quantity of 10. And I’ve to let you know one thing, the entire home liked it. We have been bopping round having time dancing up, however it’s that entire thought of with the ability to change your temper actually virtually immediately with one thing like laughter, one thing like music.


After which the third space that I actually wished to form of take a second on is kindness. Lots of people don’t give it some thought, however while you’re sort to anyone, it adjustments you. It adjustments you basically and it makes you’re feeling higher not solely concerning the sort act that you simply’re doing, however about your self as effectively. And I feel that additionally adjustments your energetic element from perhaps being not so good to being considerably higher as a result of as soon as once more, you’re serving to one other human out. So emotional power seems to be a kind of areas that we actually do quite a lot of discovery and we assist individuals determine, hey, who’re these emotional vampires or these emotional vampire conditions in my life and find out how to keep away from them and actually stick in some good ways to keep away from that slowly creeping down of the power.


Katie: That’s nice. I really feel like there’s… I’ve by no means met anybody who’s like, “Yeah. I don’t want extra power. I’m tremendous.” It’s like a common factor virtually. And that is smart about emotional vampires. I’d most likely add to the checklist that watching the information might be an effective way to zap your power since you’re gonna get that fear-like stress response instantly. So I’d love to listen to about that. And likewise, you talked about youngsters being decrease power. I’m additionally a mother of youngsters now, so I’d love any recommendations on, effectively, A, why are they decrease power, and B, how can we assist them?


Dr. Michael: So let’s discuss youngsters first after which we’ll discuss concerning the different one subsequent. So with youngsters, right here’s the one factor that everyone on the market can keep in mind. And I do know we’ve acquired quite a lot of mothers who hear, each new mothers and mothers which were round for a short time. So it will maintain true. However particularly with youngsters, one of many issues that occurs is there’s a shift of their inside circadian clock. So what occurs is, and I don’t know if you happen to’ve seen this, Katie, however in each of my youngsters, they like to remain up late and sleep late. I imply, if it was as much as my son, he wouldn’t go to mattress earlier than 2:00. My daughter by no means goes to mattress earlier than 1:00 a.m. They each sleep till about 8:30, 9:00 the following day as a result of they don’t have lessons too early, however that has actually modified them as a result of what finally ends up taking place is that they keep up late, after which in the event that they do should rise up at a traditional time, they’re dragging. I imply, dragging it.


So one of many issues that we actually attempt to do is have a look at from a biology standpoint, okay, may it’s one thing that’s happening from their circadian rhythm? Subsequent, let’s be sincere. Most youngsters usually are not too into diet, proper? They’re considering grab-and-go, soda, sugar, sweet, no matter, proper? And whereas… Don’t get me improper, there are many youngsters on the market who have gotten concepts of excellent well being and good diet most likely based mostly on issues that their mother and pa or individuals of their lives educated them on, however we see that circadian operate adjustments. We see that their weight loss plan doesn’t essentially assist them extra power excessive after which crashes with power drinks and caffeine and issues of that nature which appear to be abused extra throughout that time period.


Additionally, sadly, for some youngsters, in the event that they do become involved with substance abuse, alcohol particularly, that may have a dramatic impact on their sleep as effectively. So there’s lots. After which, in fact, there may be their schedule, proper? So numerous youngsters have doing sports activities. So they could have sports activities earlier than college the place they should rise up actually, actually early. Bear in mind, youngsters have to sleep early within the morning, not work out early within the morning. So there’s a ton of the explanation why we see youngsters actually form of laying round and never getting the sleep that they want and that’s actually one thing that we wanna form of focus in on. I can’t keep in mind what the primary a part of the query was.


Katie: Oh, about like the brand new cycle and emotional vampires and…


Dr. Michael: Sure. So I really like your thought. And one among my suggestions for individuals is that they’ve a media weight loss plan 90 minutes earlier than mattress. You don’t want to observe any… You don’t have to know what number of circumstances of COVID there are in america earlier than you go to mattress. Is it gonna actually change your…? You already know, all it’s gonna do is freak you out, proper? So on the finish of the day, what I inform individuals to do, tape your favourite, funniest present, not critical, not dramatic, not homicide, you already know, thriller, however a humorous present. And that’s what you watch earlier than mattress. Me personally, I like Seinfeld. I just like the outdated problems with Seinfeld as a result of they’re fairly tame. They’re additionally fairly humorous and also you’re out like a light-weight.


Katie: It’s humorous. I feel my teenage son really has quite a lot of similarities with you. He’s a Seinfeld fan proper now and he prefers the comedy. However I keep in mind from our first episode, you speaking about youngsters and the way they actually do have to sleep later within the day, particularly throughout the college system lets them. And we homeschool for lots of causes, however that’s one I actually considered, particularly as they have been getting older and now we have a rule in our home, such as you by no means wake the sleeping child. You additionally by no means wake the sleeping teenager. And so for them, they don’t begin college until 9:00 normally, which is ideal for homeschool, however that was a giant precedence for me, is like I’ve a lot happier youngsters, I feel, than I’d have if I used to be getting them up at 6:00.


Dr. Michael: 100%. And that’s really one of many greatest benefits of homeschooling. I imply, there’s quite a lot of benefits of homeschooling, however the schedule is actually one among them. And likewise through the pandemic, you already know, we had quite a lot of youngsters in a position to sleep a bit bit later as a result of there wasn’t a commute to high school, however I’ve to let you know, having them be capable to be at school has turned out to be way more vital than I feel many individuals really ever thought. So, you already know, it’s been an fascinating experience for positive, however yeah, keep away from the media if you happen to can earlier than mattress.


Katie: And I do know out of your work that motion can also be a giant element right here and also you talked about this, however I’m positive there’s quite a lot of intricacies about sorts of motion, timing of motion. And likewise how I feel usually we expect, “I want motivation after which I’ll do one thing.” However usually it’s the motion that creates the motivation. So I’d love to listen to how motion pertains to power and find out how to optimize it.


Dr. Michael: So, initially, motion is arguably probably the most vital elements as a result of keep in mind, a physique at relaxation tends to remain at relaxation. A physique in movement tends to remain in movement. And now, the motion schedule that now we have… So right here’s what’s enjoyable. Bear in mind how I informed you that now we have individuals monitor their power at 5 totally different occasions all through the day? So what they do, they try this for about seven days after which we flip the script. And so we are saying, you already know these occasions that you simply’ve been taking a look at your power, you already know, you set the alarm in your telephone for 5 occasions through the day, now we would like you to make use of those self same occasions to maneuver. And so one of many issues that you simply talked about is motivation for motion, proper?


And so right here’s the factor. We base this on one thing referred to as your physique sort. So if you happen to… I do know we’ve talked lots about chronotypes, and people are our genetic… For folk who don’t keep in mind, these are our genetic sleep schedules which can be constructed into our DNA and our hormone schedules and issues like that. One of many issues we haven’t talked about but is the physique sort. So if you happen to go manner again to highschool and you concentrate on your highschool biology, you may keep in mind that there have been three physique varieties, one was referred to as an endomorph, one was referred to as a mesomorph, and one was referred to as an ectomorph. So you must form of return into the reminiscence banks a bit bit to keep in mind that one.


But when you concentrate on it, keep in mind, ectomorph is the lengthy and lean individuals, so a bit bit on the thinner facet. The mesomorphs have extra of an athletic construct, extra of a V form to their physique. And the endomorphs have extra of a rectangle, a bit bit on the thicker facet of their physique. Right here’s what we all know, is if you happen to determine your physique sort, which we will do fairly simply, we then assign individuals actions that their physique sort likes, proper? And so right here’s the factor. Should you’re an endomorph, a bit bit on the thicker facet and I flip to you and say, “Hey, we would like you to go run two miles.” You’re not gonna wanna try this. You hate working as a result of it’s not enjoyable, and it hurts your joints, and also you’re not prepared for it and issues like that. So now we have different actions. So what we do is we create motion profiles for every individual based mostly on their physique varieties, which has by no means been completed earlier than, which is form of cool.


So the 5 totally different occasions flip into totally different motion varieties. So the very first one that you’ve each morning known as stretch. Makes form of sense, proper? You’ve been mendacity in mattress for some time, you haven’t been shifting lots. Your physique actually must stretch. So all people will get the identical actions, stretch. We have now totally different variations of these stretches for people who find themselves extra superior and extra newbie at it. The second motion known as a shake. So that you ever discover how when a canine will get up, what do they do? [vocalization] Proper? They try this loopy factor they usually… That truly felt form of energetic once I did it proper there. In order that they try this shaky factor, proper? That truly helps you fairly a bit. It helps transfer blood really out to the distal areas, which can also be useful to carry it again and begin to really feel extra energetic. I’ve individuals do that for 5 minutes.


You are able to do a shake your arm, shake your head, shake your butt, shake your legs. However shaking really will help fairly a bit energetically. That one would occur proper earlier than lunch after which proper after lunch, we might do a bounce, proper? So what’s a bounce? Could possibly be leaping jacks. It could possibly be a mini trampoline if you happen to’ve acquired a kind of laying round. It may simply be skipping down the lane. Sure, you heard it right here, The Sleep Physician positively skips down his driveway. Many individuals have made enjoyable of me in my neighborhood lately as a result of I’m doing my skipping proper after lunch. However once more, this bounce actually provides you an entire form of power as a result of what’s taking place? Individuals are caught on Zoom. They’re sitting there all day lengthy. Bear in mind, guys, sitting is the brand new smoking. We don’t wanna sit. We need to rise up and we need to transfer. And so bouncing will be tremendous useful.


The fourth space we name construct, and that is really the place you utilize a serious muscle group. So that you may do pushups. You may do sit-ups. You may do deep knee bends, however it’s one thing the place you utilize a big muscle group. Now, to be clear, this isn’t train. This isn’t you understanding. You aren’t gonna have a sweat from any one among these 5 motion occasions, however that is time to form of work out the kinks, form of get your muscle groups going, and preserve your self from getting too stiff and too stable.


The ultimate motion is definitely referred to as steadiness. And we do that earlier than the top of the day. Numerous occasions now we have individuals doing issues like a tree pose from yoga or one thing like that. And we like that as a result of on the finish of the day, while you’re making an attempt to do a tree pose, which is standing on one foot together with your palms clasped collectively, you just about can’t consider the rest and that helps settle your thoughts and enable you prepare for mattress. So these are the 5 totally different actions that we ask individuals to do. You solely do them for 3 to 5 minutes apiece, and once more, you set your cellphone on the similar occasions while you have been testing your power, and guess what? You’ll begin to discover that your power begins to extend fairly dramatically in any respect 5 of these landmark occasions, proper? Subsequent factor we’re gonna discuss perhaps is intermittent fasting and the way the gasoline to your physique can really form your power as effectively as a result of I’ve a sense you’re gonna be asking me about that one subsequent.


Katie: You learn my thoughts on that. And I’ll say a fast tip, probably the greatest issues we’ve ever completed for years, we changed our espresso desk in our lounge with a mini rebounder. And so all people would simply bounce continuously. And now now we have a giant outside trampoline and now we have a gymnastics mat down our hallway. So we’re just about all bouncing all through the day, however that’s a simple manner, even when it’s wet to only form of incorporate a few of that.


Dr. Michael: I really like that. What an excellent thought.


Katie: However I do wanna discuss fasting, however first, I’d like to know… There’s all this debate within the health world of exercising within the morning versus exercising at evening or within the night, you additionally talked about youngsters shouldn’t be understanding once they first get up, however what are the professionals and cons of various timing of precise train?


Dr. Michael: So we try this based mostly on chronotypes. So, keep in mind, the actions which can be on this ebook usually are not thought of train, however we do discuss every day train. So to be clear, all people on the market needs to be doing a couple of half an hour of train each day if they’ll probably assist it. Train relies upon upon what sort of train and what you wanna do. For example, if you happen to’re a cardio individual and also you wanna do 25 minutes of cardio, then that’s not a nasty thought to do based mostly in your chronotype. So for example, if you happen to’re an early morning chronotype like a lion, you’re gonna get up early and run. However if you happen to’re a late-night chronotype like me, like a wolf, there’s nothing you wanna do much less within the morning than run, proper? And so discovering these specific occasions is definitely fairly simple. We have now them within the ebook for every one of many chronotypes so individuals can know precisely when to train. Some individuals, once more, based mostly in your chronotype, train within the morning is incredible. Me, personally, there’s simply no manner. The one factor I hate greater than mornings are morning individuals. They’re simply too rattling chipper. So the very last thing I actually wanna do is be lifting weights or going for a run at that individual stage.


Katie: I’m a wolf as effectively and I’ve seen my hormones are typically a lot happier, particularly once I work out within the afternoon, which does lead into the following query, make it more durable to quick and do a fasted exercise if you happen to’re not understanding within the afternoon. However I do know simply from my very own studying and out of your work, that meals is a giant sign of circadian biology and never simply what we eat, however after we eat makes a giant distinction. And there’s actually quite a lot of reputation of several types of fasting and time-restricted consuming protocols proper now. So how do these interaction with sleep power, chronotypes? Stroll us by that.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So that is the most important factor that we actually realized, I feel, within the ebook. So after we… I’ve been an intermittent sooner for about 5 years and I adore it. I’ve completed time-restricted consuming for fairly some time. And one of many issues I seen early on was that it didn’t work very well for me. I can’t eat breakfast. Let me simply be sincere with you. I’m an evening owl, okay? There’s nothing worse for me within the… I like breakfast meals to be clear. I really like eggs, and pancakes, and all that form of great things, however consuming within the morning is simply not for me as an evening owl. And so I’ve all the time shifted my time-restricted consuming based mostly on my chronotype. Then I really discovered some literature behind it that proved that it was really extra useful for you as a result of once more, your total inside system, your chronotype modifies your whole hormones, so your consuming hormones, your sleeping hormones, the entire above. So if you happen to eat inside your chronotypical timeframe when it comes to while you’re intermittent fasting, that may be very useful.


The second factor that we realized needed to do with physique varieties. So keep in mind we have been speaking only a second in the past about endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph, it seems that these distinctions assist us learn the way lengthy we must always quick. So observe me right here, the ectomorph, which is our lengthy and lean individual, they’re lean. We don’t want them to quick for prolonged intervals of time. In order that they’ll eat for 12 hours and quick for 12 hours. Our mesomorphs who might wanna lose a bit little bit of weight however are actually considering having extra power through the day, what they find yourself doing is that they find yourself fasting for 14 hours and feeding for 10. You discover how their quick is a bit bit longer, as a result of they’re a bit bit greater when it comes to metabolism being slower. The endomorphs who’re our greatest group of people that have the slowest metabolism, they’re gonna quick the longest time period, which might be 16 hours, and feed for the shortest time period, which might be 8 hours.


That is simply a place to begin for individuals, however lots of people ask me on a regular basis. They’re like, “Michael, I wanna do that intermittent fasting factor. I don’t know when and I don’t know for the way lengthy.” Now now we have the rules based mostly in your genetics. So it’s not like I do pull them out of the air. Your genetics inform us your chronotype, your genetics inform us your physique sort, let’s use that as form of our secret weapon to have the ability to work out when to intermittent quick. Now, intermittent fasting in and of itself is a superb power booster. Primarily based on one thing referred to as autophagy. So autophagy is the place our physique really redoes all the a part of the cell based mostly in your quick. And so, you’re fasting, fasting, fasting, which suggests you fritter away the carbs which can be in your abdomen, after which lastly, while you burn by all of these, then your physique begins to burn fats. And while you’re burning fats, primary, you will have a lot larger power since you really get higher power from burning fats than burning carbohydrates in you as a human. However quantity two, you’re slimming your self down and getting your self nearer to the burden that you simply’re form of searching for. So there’s quite a lot of advantages to doing intermittent fasting, particularly from an lively standpoint.


Katie: And also you’ve talked about and now defined considerably the totally different physique varieties. I’m curious, can we alter our physique sort, or is that set in stone? And likewise, can we see similarities or like correlations between chronotypes and physique varieties usually or can they be throughout the board?


Dr. Michael: So it’s actually fascinating. So we did a survey, so we’ve had over one million individuals take my quiz, the chrono quiz, that we talked about final time. And so what we did was we despatched out to about 5,000 individuals about I feel it was like 1,200 individuals in every class or 1,250 individuals in every class and we requested them about their physique varieties. It was actually fascinating to study what was happening. So your first query was, can you modify your physique sort? It’s actually, actually arduous. It’s genetic, it’s form of in you, and it dictates the pace of your metabolism. There are methods to hurry up your metabolism that has to do with what gasoline you place in your physique, while you put it in your physique, and we go into all of that within the ebook, however typically talking, it’s robust to alter your physique sort. That’s okay although. We will work inside that as a result of all it’s telling us is the pace of our metabolism after which we will counter that based mostly on the opposite pace. So we will’t change our physique varieties though I do know loads of individuals wouldn’t thoughts with the ability to change your physique sort. Don’t fear. You possibly can nonetheless be as thick or as skinny as you wanna be inside that physique sort based mostly in your power stage.


Katie: And I do know we talked about it in-depth within the first interview, so I’ll hyperlink to that one and put the quiz so individuals can take the quiz and discover out themselves, however for anyone who’s not acquainted and perhaps hasn’t heard the primary interview but, give us only a transient overview of the totally different chronotypes so individuals have form of a passing context for that.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So chronotype is a time period that you simply may not have heard, however you’ve positively heard of the idea earlier than. Should you’ve ever been referred to as an early fowl or an evening owl, these are chronotypes. Now, my contribution to the literature is we’ve identified since concerning the ’70s that there have been three separate chronotypes, early birds, individuals within the center, or evening owls. By the best way, the individuals within the center, we used to name them hummingbirds. I’m undecided why. My contribution was I discovered a fourth chronotype that I name a dolphin. And so I modified the vernacular as a result of I’m not a fowl, I’m a mammal and I wished to decide on one that truly match the chronotype.


So lions substitute early birds. I imply, come on, who doesn’t wanna be a lion, proper? King of the jungle, get up earliest within the morning. These are the people who get up between 4:30 and 5:30 within the morning on their very own, by the best way. Loopy. It’s not my gig for positive. These are the COOs of an organization. These individuals normally assume considerably within the army sense and go from the 1st step, to step two, to step three, very aware of their pondering. Very health-conscious, normally good sleepers, and individuals who work out frequently.


Subsequent are the bears. They substitute the hummingbirds. And, by the best way, being a bear is the most effective. About 50% of the inhabitants is a bear. And these are the people who go to mattress round 10:00, wake round 7:00, and most of life works effectively on their schedule. 9:00 to five:00 schedule works good for a bear.


Night time owls, we now name them wolves. You and I are lone wolves. If we ever resolve to hang around, you already know, subsequent time we see one another, you and I’ll most likely be those which can be up considerably late, hanging out and chit-chatting whereas different individuals might have gone to sleep, however we additionally tend to be artists, and actors, and musician. My most artistic persons are my wolves. And so we tend to see them… By the best way, wolves hate making lists and in the event that they do, they go from step 1, to step 12, to step 47, they don’t have any rhyme or motive. Makes good sense to us, however it is unnecessary to anyone else on the market.


The dolphin is the fourth class, and that represents my insomnia sufferers. Heaps and many individuals have gotten a genetic type of insomnia that we assist determine in addition to assist out within the ebook, in “The Energy of When” and in “Energize!” What’s cool about that is after we put the 5,000 individuals collectively, we didn’t simply get 4 totally different chronotypes and three totally different physique varieties. We really got here up with what we name an influence profile and imagine it or not, there are some people who didn’t actually fall into sure classes. Yeah, there have been physique varieties in all 4 chronotypes, however the quantity was form of fascinating. For example, if you happen to’re a lion, proper? That early riser, you will have a most unlikely to have a gradual metabolism. Form of fascinating to see a few of these issues form of come out within the knowledge, however it’s all within the ebook and it’s cool.


Katie: It’s cool and really hopeful. I do know my mother realized lots from that. She’s extra of a dolphin sort, I assume. And so she all the time felt like she by no means match the “guidelines” of all the opposite varieties. And that gave her quite a lot of context. And that was actually, actually useful, I feel.


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And regardless that I do know our first one was on sleep, I really feel like sleep is an more and more prime challenge for just about everybody proper now, particularly the final couple of years, it appears, to make that worse. And I do know, like I mentioned, we went intimately on the primary one, however are you able to additionally simply give us, since you’re the sleep physician, some good sleep hygiene guidelines to start out from?


Dr. Michael: After all. After all. So primary, all people needs to be waking up. Discover I didn’t say going to mattress, waking up at your chronotypical wake-up time. Should you don’t do something aside from purchase my new ebook, it is best to positively go to and study what your chrono… You want how I slipped within the purchase my new ebook? Go to and work out what your chronotype is. Right here’s the excellent news. I ship you data. I train you the most effective time of day to drink espresso, alcohol, get up, fall asleep, however that’s my primary rule, is get up on the similar time each day, together with the weekends. Sure, I do know there’s numerous individuals on the market who’re saying, “Oh, Dr. Breus, that stinks. I don’t wanna get up at 6:30 on the weekends as a result of that’s the time I get up through the week.” Do it anyway.


The extra constant your sleep is, the extra your physique is aware of when to sleep and when to get up. Numerous occasions, what occurs to individuals on the weekends is that they go to mattress late and sleep in late, go to mattress late, sleep in late. What do you assume the physique needs to do on Sunday evening? Go to mattress late and that’s why Monday mornings stink is as a result of individuals continuously need to sleep in. So primary rule, get up on the similar time, seven days every week based mostly in your chronotype.


Quantity two has to do with caffeine. Tremendous simple. Simply cease caffeine by 2:00 p.m. Most individuals don’t know that caffeine’s acquired a half-life of as much as eight hours relying upon how fast a metabolizer you’re. So if you happen to cease at 2:00, eight hours later, at the very least 50, that’s 50% of the caffeine is out of your system. Right here’s a very scary one, Katie. That quarter-life of caffeine when 25% of it’s nonetheless in your system is 12 hours. So if the final cup of espresso that you simply drank was at 9:00 within the morning, 25% of that’s on board 9:00 at evening. So do me a favor. Should you can, step quantity two, cease caffeine by 2:00 p.m. at an absolute minimal.


Step quantity three has to do with alcohol. I inform individuals on a regular basis there’s a very huge distinction between going to sleep and passing out, proper? We don’t just like the passing out. We just like the going to sleep. So in that case, we ask individuals to cease consuming, restrict your self to 2 alcoholic drinks, have two glasses of water, and cease your alcohol consumption three hours earlier than mattress. This manner you’ll be able to have a pleasant glass of wine or spirit or beer with dinner, take pleasure in your self, however not have it have an effect on your sleep.


Step quantity 4 is a giant one and it has to do with train. So I would like individuals exercising each single day, seven days every week if you happen to probably can, assuming that your physician has cleared you to take action. However the factor you bought to watch out of is if you happen to train too near bedtime, you’ll be able to really improve your core physique temperature and make it robust to go to sleep. So train every day, however step quantity 4 is to cease train 4 hours earlier than mattress.


Step quantity 5 is a superb morning time ritual. I name it my three 15s. So proper while you get up, you are taking 15 deep-centered breaths. So huge arms, carry it round like this, carry it ahead in order that your palms are clasped in entrance of you, 15 stable, deep breaths. Subsequent stroll exterior with a glass of 15 ounces of water. Bear in mind, sleep in and of itself is a dehydrative occasion. You have to drink water within the mornings, not espresso as your first beverage. That may be very, very useful. And quarter-hour within the sunshine. Now, you’re gonna surprise to your self, “Michael, quarter-hour within the sunshine, actually? You’re the sleep physician. That’s what you’re gonna inform me to do?” I’m, and there’s three distinct the explanation why. Primary, quarter-hour of daylight is the precise period of time that your physique wants to supply vitamin D. So you will get your every day dose of vitamin D.


Right here’s one thing for everybody to recollect. Most individuals are poor in vitamin D, 94% of COVID deaths. Let me repeat myself. 94% of COVID deaths are in people who find themselves vitamin D poor. So it is advisable to get exterior and it is advisable to get some sunshine. I get it, we’re strolling into winter. It may not be the best factor on the planet to do. It’s higher if you happen to’re really bodily exterior than if you happen to stand by a window but when all you are able to do is stand by a window, as a result of it’s so chilly, stand by a window, however get that daylight.


One of many different issues that the daylight does that individuals don’t know is when it hits your eye, it turns off the melatonin faucet in your head. This really helps get you away from mind fog. So quantity two motive to get sunshine within the morning is to remove mind fog. The third motive is one that just about no person is aware of about however is tremendous vital. When your mind turns off your melatonin faucet by getting that sunshine, it really units a timer to reset or reinstitute melatonin manufacturing roughly 14 hours later. So right here’s the difficulty. Should you get up at 6:00 one morning, 8:00 one morning, and 10:00 the following morning, your timer will get set at totally different occasions. So the consistency of your wake-up time and the consistency of your sunshine will work completely in your favor for higher sleep.


Katie: Can you utilize the daylight half to hack the wake-up time or is it actually that vital to get up at this… Like, I’m pondering for individuals who wanna sleep in on the weekends, if we acquired morning daylight on the similar time however perhaps slept a bit later sure days, does that assist or is it actually that vital to rise up on the similar time each day?


Dr. Michael: If I may choose one factor, it might be rise up at the very same time. I’d say you may give your self 15 to twenty minutes distinction. So if usually you get up at 5:00 and also you don’t wanna get up at 5:00 on the weekends and also you wanna rise up at 5:30, I don’t assume I care, however you actually don’t wanna go a lot previous that as a result of your inside clock will certainly know. And, by the best way, since it’s winter time and, you already know, we’d have listeners who’re up north or in different nations the place there’s numerous, you already know, darkness that’s happening, you’ll be able to really purchase a lightbox. So I exploit a lightbox each time I journey. And I used it in mornings right here if the solar hasn’t come out but. You will get one on Amazon for like 100 bucks. It’s referred to as a GoLite, G-O-L-I-T-E. I’ve no affiliation with them, however it’s fairly cool.


Katie: And I do know it varies based mostly on chronotype, however I’ve additionally heard recommendation that if we will rise up proper round dawn each day, that’s imagined to be very useful. Is that true for all chronotypes?


Dr. Michael: Each chronotype, it’s really fairly true for as a result of what occurs is, is when the sunshine hits the rods and cones in your eye for the primary time, it begins to prime them. After which because the solar totally comes up, that rods and cones totally come on-line to it. Imagine it or not, probably the greatest issues that you are able to do each morning is watch the dawn.


Katie: And that’s free. Even when it’s not essentially essentially the most enjoyable for these of us who aren’t naturally the morning sort people who I do know.


Dr. Michael: Precisely.


Katie: And I do know you talked about like meals timing being essential and fasting, and particularly within the morning, and in addition to keep away from consuming proper earlier than mattress. What do you assume is the golden window of how lengthy to go away earlier than sleep and in addition, are there sure meals which can be higher or worse at evening?


Dr. Michael: So I tend to love to cease consuming inside two to a few hours of mattress. It takes about 90 minutes in your abdomen to clear no matter’s left in there and begin working its manner by your digestive system. So if you happen to can, I’d keep away from consuming something inside about an hour to an hour and a half earlier than mattress. However you don’t wanna go to mattress hungry both. So if let’s say you had a light-weight dinner and also you’re nonetheless, you already know, your abdomen is a bit form of itching at you, what do you do? So that is gonna sound cuckoo, however it actually works, is if you happen to’re not fasting throughout this time, proper? As a result of lots of people, if you happen to’re a lion, you’ll be fasting throughout this time. Should you’re a wolf, you wouldn’t be, you need a couple of 250-calorie snack. You need it to be about 70% carbohydrates and about 30%, both protein or fats. So that you is likely to be saying your self, “Maintain on a second, Michael. Carbohydrates earlier than mattress, what are you pondering?”


So right here’s what occurs. If you eat carbohydrates, it spikes one thing referred to as serotonin in your head which calms down the cortisol which has been working round. That’s that combat or flight hormone that’s been making you do all of the various things that you simply’re working round doing proper earlier than mattress. In order that’s why we name them consolation meals as a result of they make us really really feel comfy by producing serotonin. In order that 70% carbs will be useful. So what’s an instance of that? Like some rice muffins with some nut butter on it, proper? Or some avocado, or an apple with some nut butter, one thing that’s acquired an honest quantity of carbs. Once more, you wanna preserve your snack to about 250 energy if you happen to can. Different issues are, you could possibly do a protein shake the place you’ll be able to precisely measure your carbs and issues like that. As soon as once more, simply to provide your physique what it’s searching for simply earlier than mattress.


Different issues or meals which can be very optimistic for sleep, any of the omegas. So if we’re speaking dinner, fish is a superb one to assist with sleep. Additionally something with any of the B nutritional vitamins in it. So leafy greens, kale, magnesium that we discover in kale is tremendous good for sleep. However to be actually sincere with you, Katie, you’d should eat like a bushel of kale to get sufficient magnesium. So individuals do want to consider other ways to complement their magnesium. I personally use a recipe referred to as banana tea. So most individuals don’t realize it, however bananas are loaded with magnesium. And we discuss this bit within the ebook, of various meals which you can have. However imagine it or not, the peel has thrice the quantity of magnesium because the fruit itself.


So no, I’m not gonna ask you to eat the peel. What I’m gonna do is say wash off the surface of a banana, lower off the tip within the stem, lower it in half. Up to now, all you’ve completed is wash a banana, okay? You’ve acquired these two halves with fruit in them. Drop them into three cups of boiling water. Up to now I’m solely asking you to scrub off a banana and boil it simply to be clear. After about 5 minutes, the banana will flip brown and also you drink the water. It’s loaded with magnesium. As my daughter likes to say, “Dad, it’s very banana-y.” So you actually have to love the banana taste to take pleasure in it. However what’s nice about it’s it doesn’t work together with any medicine. It’s nice for seniors. It’s nice for teenagers. I’ve one mother and he or she makes it firstly of the week and pours it into popsicle molds and he or she provides it to her youngsters at evening for dessert they usually’re out like a light-weight.


Katie: That’s an excellent tip. And doubtless mixing a bit like uncooked honey and even a teeny little bit of salt in there may additionally assist with this.


Dr. Michael: Completely. Nicely, and uncooked honey, particularly, is one among my favorites as a result of it’s tough in your system to digest uncooked honey and it’ll preserve your blood sugar steady longer. Not good for diabetics although. Should you’re a diabetic, this recipe is dangerous for you due to the excessive glycemic index. In that case, I’d argue that you simply wanna attempt guava leaf tea. Not guava fruit and never guava juice, however guava leaf tea. There’s some knowledge to counsel that it’ll assist preserve your blood sugar steady.


Katie: That’s nice to know. And it is smart while you clarify the carbohydrate factor, why when persons are harassed, they have a tendency to crave, like, carby meals like chips, or chocolate, or issues that may be supply of that for the serotonin. It additionally makes me curious, these are nice pure sleep aids. And I’m gonna positively attempt these suggestions, however what are your ideas on sleep dietary supplements usually? Particularly, I’ve seen so many with melatonin now even for teenagers and I’m simply interested by that as a result of I’m very hesitant with that, particularly with youngsters.


Dr. Michael: Good. Ninety-nine % of all kids have loads of melatonin on board. Melatonin in Europe is used as a contraceptive. Let me say that yet one more time. Melatonin in Europe is used as contraception. Okay? So we all know it has an impact on younger girls. I can’t consider something worse for a younger feminine growing menstrual cycle to then have melatonin instituted when it’s not crucial. So I personally by no means ask mothers or dads to make use of melatonin of their kids. Anyone underneath age 18, there may be one caveat, and that’s youngsters on the autism spectrum. There’s a vital quantity of knowledge to point out at giant dosages, which is three to 5 milligrams, that that may be useful for these kids. We don’t know 100% why, however we do know it may be useful. Should you discover what I mentioned about giant dosages being three to 5 milligrams, that’s form of fascinating as a result of 95% of melatonin is now bought in an overdosage format.


The suitable dose is between a half and one and a half milligrams for adults based mostly on the information out of MIT which I imagine. And so persons are taking manner an excessive amount of melatonin. You already know, you requested me about sleep dietary supplements, melatonin, particularly. I’ve a unique idea than many different medical doctors on the market do.


Step primary, blood work. Okay? I wanna know what your physique is doing proper now earlier than I begin sticking different issues inside it. So I have a look at vitamin D, I have a look at iron, I have a look at melatonin, and I have a look at magnesium. These 4 issues all have an effect on sleep dramatically. Go to my web site, you’ll see blogs on all of them so that you’ll perceive it. Try this first. Then if any of these are poor, repair that first, proper? Then see what goes on. So as soon as your physique’s acquired sufficient magnesium, sufficient vitamin D, iron, and melatonin in it, perhaps that was the most important drawback.


And also you don’t should be taking one thing for the remainder of your life. You simply have to eat meals which can be excessive in these areas and complement your diet accordingly. That’s actually one space that I’ve with individuals, however let’s say you probably did the blood work. Every little thing seems good, your magnesium is okay. Your melatonin seems good. All of these issues are good. What do I like to recommend at that time? You actually need to assume by what your sleep-related challenge is. So for example, you probably have a tough time falling asleep, one thing like valerian and hops makes quite a lot of sense as a result of we all know that knowledge, when these two are mixed collectively, that may assist with falling asleep. Nevertheless, in case your drawback is staying asleep, that’s when melatonin may really be very worthwhile.


So with out saying an excessive amount of, I’ve my very own line of dietary supplements. It’s referred to as Sleep Physician PM. And now we have two variations, one that will help you go to sleep and one that will help you keep asleep. So it’s very fascinating. We even have one which you can take in the course of the evening with none next-day grogginess. So I’ve created a components that mimics lots of the prescribed drugs when it comes to hitting those self same receptor websites however with 100% pure substances. And that’s actually what we would like. Final, final, final resort is to place anyone on a sleeping tablet. However simply to be very clear with you and your whole listeners on the market, for anyone on the market that’s presently taking a sleep assist, there may be nothing improper with taking a sleeping tablet. That could be a dialogue between you and your physician, okay? That isn’t one thing that you simply’re gonna have over a podcast. And it is best to discuss together with your physician, if you happen to turn out to be uncomfortable being on a sleep assist, by no means, by no means, by no means chilly turkey your self off of it. It’s a very dangerous thought. Discuss together with your physician and see if you should utilize a taper schedule to come back off of it. However once more, I tend to make use of pharmacy as a final resort or to interrupt the cycle of insomnia then get individuals off drug by three to 4 months.


Katie: And also you talked about magnesium in relation to the banana tea. And magnesium’s one thing I’ve been speaking about for a very long time since I found out how useful it was for me and simply studying the analysis about what number of other ways our physique makes use of and wishes magnesium…


Dr. Michael: 300 methods or one thing loopy like that. Yeah.


Katie: And the way most of us really don’t get wherever near sufficient. So is that this one that you simply assume will be useful for individuals to particularly complement with and any recommendation round that?


Dr. Michael: Completely. So me, personally, I take magnesium each day. I do drink banana tea. I don’t drink it each evening, however it positively is useful relying upon once more, your magnesium ranges and form of what’s happening with you. Personally, I take one thing referred to as MagSRT. It’s by an organization referred to as Jigsaw Well being. I really like them. I do know that their stuff is tremendous clear. That’s the complement that I’ve been utilizing for magnesium that I like to recommend to all people on the market.


Katie: And I do know we touched on this a teeny bit within the first interview, however I’d guess there’s quite a lot of {couples} on the market who’ve companions with mismatched sleep varieties. Any recommendation for navigating that and/or for fogeys who’ve a bunch of children in my case with all types of various sleep varieties?


Dr. Michael: Sure. So don’t worry. You possibly can nonetheless keep together with your accomplice even when they’ve a unique chronotype than you. We discuss that lots within the ebook, simply other ways from a relationship standpoint. However one of many issues that I oftentimes inform individuals is, look, have all people in your home take the chrono quiz in order that you already know what all people’s chronotype is, you then even have the key key since you’ll know in case your daughter… Let’s say you’ve acquired a teenage daughter. Nicely, I’ll offer you an instance of my teenage daughter. I’ve been making an attempt to foster my relationship with my teenage daughter for years and one of many issues I realized is that if I went in within the morning and I mentioned, “Hey, Carsen, you already know, what have you ever acquired deliberate for right this moment within the morning time?” Right here’s what I’d get, “Ugh. Go away me alone.” Proper? But when I walked in when her power stage was larger based mostly on her chronotype within the afternoon as a result of she’s a Wolf chronotype, guess what? I’m in there for an hour and a half asking the identical query.


I can’t consider something extra vital than the connection between me and my daughter. And so, for me, the chronotypes have turn out to be a communication instrument. And so study the chronotypes of your accomplice and all of the members of your fast household and you’ll begin to additionally know, when are they gonna be in temper? When are they gonna have power? When are they gonna be in not such temper? When are they gonna, you already know, have to eat? All of those various things, turn out to be actually vital for you, particularly if you happen to’re the one who’s form of working the family and coping with the entire youngsters and that form of stuff, it may be very, very useful.


The opposite huge factor to recollect is all people doesn’t should go to mattress on the similar time, particularly while you’re speaking a couple of couple. So quite a lot of {couples} assume, “Nicely, if we don’t go to mattress collectively, then meaning one thing about our intimacy or one thing about our relationship, even sleeping in the identical room.” Let me be clear. Your sleep is just not part of your relationship. Should you sleep in a unique room each evening since you sleep higher, that doesn’t make your relationship dangerous. That doesn’t imply that you’ve much less love or intimacy in that relationship. It simply means you wanna get evening’s sleep with the intention to be capable to be intimate with that individual, with the intention to care about what they’re saying and issues of that nature. So there’s numerous totally different choices. I’ve acquired some {couples} the place she’s an early fowl and he’s an evening owl and what he’ll do is learn a ebook whereas she falls asleep after which stroll into the opposite room after she’s fallen asleep. All types of various choices that you are able to do based mostly in your chronotype.


Katie: I adore it. And as we get near the top of our time, one other query considerably unrelated that I like to ask is that if there’s a ebook or various books which have had a profound influence in your life and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So I preserve a few them shut by. Considered one of my favourite books, I even have it proper right here is by Eckhart Tolle and it’s referred to as “The Energy of Now.” It’s an incredible, wonderful ebook to show individuals find out how to keep optimistic within the current tense. That’s one of many ones that I’m actually… I’ve been enjoying round lots with recently. After which what’s one other…? What’s the opposite one which I’m studying recently? Oh, I began studying this one really. I met this gentleman… It’s referred to as “Spaceman.” And I met an astronaut who had written a biography. I’m a giant biography fan. And so I really like studying about how profitable individuals grew to become profitable. My favourite biography truthfully is Andre Agassi of all individuals. If anyone will get an opportunity to learn the ebook “Open,” it’s wonderful. Probably the greatest biographies I’ve ever learn. However I’m form of a biography junkie. I like studying about different individuals’s lives and seeing what they did.


Katie: Superior. I’ll hyperlink to all these within the present notes at so that you guys can test them out. And lastly, the place can individuals continue to learn from you and any parting recommendation for the listeners on any of those subjects?


Dr. Michael: Completely. So if you happen to wanna purchase the ebook, go to or Amazon or wherever books are bought, it needs to be nearly in all places tomorrow. So we’re tremendous enthusiastic about that. Should you wanna study extra about me, I’m on each type of social media you could possibly probably think about. My deal with is The Sleep Physician. And physician is all spelled out. So Twitter, and Fb, and Instagram, and imagine it or not, TikTok as effectively. I’ve turn out to be TikTok well-known. I’ve a video now that’s acquired on 1.5 million views for what do you do if you happen to get up in the course of the evening? So tons and many locations to seek out me and, in fact, my web site is


Katie: Nicely, you’re forward of me on the TikTok development. I haven’t figured it out but, however I’ll positively observe you. However to reiterate your personal recommendation, let’s not watch you on TikTok within the couple of minutes earlier than mattress.


Dr. Michael: Precisely.


Katie: An excessive amount of stimulation, though I’m positive there’s additionally some good like humor and enjoyable information that can assist with the power factor. So perhaps we’ll begin with TikTok and Michael Breus very first thing within the morning.


Dr. Michael: There you go. I adore it.


Katie: Dr. Breus, you’re such a pleasure to speak to. Thanks a lot for being right here for spherical two. I’m excited in your new ebook and I’ll be sure that it’s linked within the present notes as effectively, however thanks for instructing us right this moment.


Dr. Michael: Thanks. You already know, I take pleasure in your organization a lot, Katie. I’m glad that we’re personally reconnected and have a chance to share with one another since you’ve acquired such an excellent crowd of individuals and also you do such an incredible job with them. I’ve a lot respect for all of the stuff that you simply guys are doing. So thanks for having me on. I’m excited to be a part of the “Wellness Mama” journey. And if individuals wanna study extra, try the ebook.


Katie: Thanks a lot. I really feel the identical manner about you, a lot gratitude. And, in fact, gratitude and a lot due to all of you for listening, for sharing your most beneficial sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with each of us right this moment. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.


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